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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 7, 2008 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: If someone pulled this crap at etree/LL etc., they would get fried. (dead related)

I got my winterland '73 box today and I am ripping them to my computer for ipod listening. While the music is awesome the track labeling is a bit curious. I am only through Disc 6 (11/10/73) and here is what i have so far for Album names:

Disc 1: 1973-11-09 D1 - Winterland - San Francisco, CA (Winterland 1973 - The Complete Recordings)

Disc 2: 1973-11-09 D2 - Winterland - San Francisco, CA (Winterland 1973 - The Complete Recordings)

Disc 3: 1973-11-09 D3 - Winterland - San Francisco, CA (Winterland 1973 - The Complete Recordings)

Disc 4: Winterland, November 10, 1973

Disc 5: Winterland 9/10/73 (Disc 5)

Disc 6: 1973-11-10 D3 - Winterland - San Francisco, CA (Winterland 1973 - The Complete Recordings)

Its a little annoying that you have to go back and relabel two discs so you can listen to a show in the proper order and frankly a bit embarrassing that they got the date wrong on Disc 4. Well at least my Disc 2 doesn't skip through Bertha.

Update:
Disc 7: Winterland, November 11, 1973



This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2008-04-07 19:48:43

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2008 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If someone pulled this crap at etree/LL etc., they would get fried. (dead related)

Hey El et al.: you know I know nothing about such techno tidbits, but as a PC person here is what I found when I pop the disk in: nada. Disk is not labeled, and tracks are listed as "tracks." Used disk 5 for experiment since I found your comments so damn intriguing/funny/puzzling.

The minute I try to "do" anything with it, of course, because I am a moron, my system uses Media Player or one or the other Audio programs I have installed, and THEN it labeled the disk, trackes, etc. (even asking if I wanted to buy it, etc.).

So, my absolutely idiotic test, administered by an idiot, at least is consistent with the notion raised above that it is indeed "our" systems/software/etc that do this...

But, I could be completely wrong...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 9, 2008 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WT, thanks for chiming in and well since I have you on the line.....

Thanks for the update WT. Thats sounds a bit different than what happened here as when I inserted the disc it had a name (album) and when i clicked on it to open i could see track titles. However that does not rule out the possibility that my mac is connecting to the internet in the background.

In some circles people actually refer to me as a scientist so i planned on doing the experiment this evening. I will insert my discs into a mac that has never seen the discs and that is not connected to the internet. If I see track titles etc, then we will simply have to conclude that my mac is smarter than your PC (I know JOTS, will be in full support of that view).

Now to hijack this near pointless thread, a few of us were at Chatzy the other night and discussing Viola Lee Blues. Specifically is there a best version. This would seem to fall right into your expertise, please enlighten us.

Currently the one from 3/18/67 is causing serious damage to what was left of my inner ears.

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2008-04-09 16:28:22

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Apr 9, 2008 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Chiming in on the chiming in

I have no wish to preempt the mighty Tell on this one but I always reckoned the Viola Lee that appeared on Fallout from the Phil Zone (from April 26 1969) was a pretty mighty beast. Absolute runaway train jamming that the somehow, almost unbelievably, wrench back under control just in time for the final chorus. Phil sounds like he's trying to find every damn note on the bass and play them all at once.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 9, 2008 10:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Chiming in on the chiming in

Glad you chimed in on chiming in Rob. Your comment about somehow regaining control prior to last chorus is what always amazes me about VLB. Even the one on the first album has that quality. I suspect the band's ability to do this early on is what translated into such crisp and cool transitions throughout their run.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2008 10:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Chiming in on the chiming in

I like BOTH of those. Fallout one better.

But, the truth is, though I have heard some that left me a little flat, I do not rank the song in my "regular rotation" list that contains any number of 11s, StSt's, DS's, CCSun's, CE-OO-CE's, etc.

So, this song is a favorite, but not one I have a top of the head series of favorites...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 9, 2008 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Chiming in on the chiming in

Funny because that was exactly what the problem was, everyone liked the song but nobody could really come up with a favorite (other than Arbuthnot and he picked the last one on that tape of rehearsals of the song from 1966).

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Poster: He Live's Date: Apr 7, 2008 9:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If someone pulled this crap at etree/LL etc., they would get fried. (dead related)

yeah man,

i found that very strange myself..... does yours have the setlists written in hand inside the cd sleeve?.... as in, the interior, the white part? i am really curious to know.

i think i have noticed this with other multi-disc DPs before too.... no uniformity in the formatting, like three different people did the work... or one guy did a bunch of bong hits in between each disc, and forgot what he was doing....

what was i just saying?


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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 8, 2008 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If someone pulled this crap at etree/LL etc., they would get fried. (dead related)

Yes mine has the writing inside the sleeve as well. I don't think i would have ever noticed that. Did you notice the title for the 4th song on Friday?

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Poster: He Live's Date: Apr 8, 2008 11:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If someone pulled this crap at etree/LL etc., they would get fried. (dead related)

lord you can see it's true?

i REALLY like the pre-retirement TLEO and i really don't understand why they made that song SO MUCH LESS enjoyable, post '75........? do you?

well elbow, riddle me the writing.... i dont feel like taking mine apart to analyze the "handwriting"?

word, my brother.....
HL


don't miss this


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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 7, 2008 1:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If someone pulled this crap at etree/LL etc., they would get fried. (dead related)

Final update (didn't want to bump this post)

Discs 8 and 9 are 1973-11-11

Not terribly systematic, which is ironic given how picky traders of Grateful Dead music can be about md5s, shnids and all those other things that are used to assure that people no exactly what they are getting.

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Poster: daliguana Date: Apr 7, 2008 5:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If someone pulled this crap at etree/LL etc., they would get fried. (dead related)

Same thing with the Terrapin Station CD set years ago. The disks were all labled the same, with the tracks listed as if all three CDs were the same. I had to go in and rename all the tracks on CDs 2&3. Not much effort, but it makes you wonder who responsible? Most of the 'heads I know are pretty meticulous when it comes to their collections - maybe not a 'head at the controls?

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Poster: gmcgill Date: Apr 8, 2008 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If someone pulled this crap at etree/LL etc., they would get fried. (dead related)

If what you are referring to is the tags that come up from the internet when you rip the CDs (either from ITUNES, EAC, DBPOweramp, etc.), these have nothing whatsoever to do with the folks that produced the CDs themselves. These tags come from various places (AMG (all music guide), freedb, gracenote, etc.). These are populated for the most part by USERS of the ripping programs (not creators of the CDs). So if someone out there is sloppy, those errors can show up in the tags that added automatically. Interestingly, dbpoweramp (a very nice secure ripper/converter) is working on a new tagging function that will actually do a comparison of the tags associated with a CD from multiple sources and return the "best" (at least most consistent) tags.

http://www.dbpoweramp.com/

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 8, 2008 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If someone pulled this crap at etree/LL etc., they would get fried. (dead related)

I don't believe these tags are coming up from the internet. Sometimes when you put a CD into the computer it will query a CD database for tags, however in this case the information is contained within the CD itself. The titles of each individual disc are different. Even before you open itunes you can see the file name of the CD and they are what i listed earlier in this thread. itunes is simply grabbing the name of the disc as the album name.

In the case of the CDDB that is often used for song names as well and in this case all of them are correct. Except Disc 3 Track 5 which has the title "GDTRF OK." Cute.

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2008-04-08 17:02:07

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Apr 8, 2008 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If someone pulled this crap at etree/LL etc., they would get fried. (dead related)

There was no track info embedded in the CD's - I know because my subscription to the info-matching service has lapsed, and I had to enter all of the track info from scratch. It's likely that you were getting shared info from a variety of user sources on the 'net.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 8, 2008 11:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If someone pulled this crap at etree/LL etc., they would get fried. (dead related)

how would that put a title on the CD? I put the disc in, it shows up on my desktop with a name. Thats the name that is then in the album column of itunes. Additionally when i hit the get info button about the disc drive it has all the info about each track already on the CD. I do not believe this is coming from the net before I open itunes. I think its on the CD. If you look at the files on the disc you don't have any names on the tracks? (sorry i am on a mac so I am not completely sure how to say the equivalent in PC talk. If you look at what is in your C: or D: drive you don't have names on the files?)

btw Congrats on your victory last night. Maybe i will send you some track titles....

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2008-04-08 18:10:26

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Apr 8, 2008 3:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If someone pulled this crap at etree/LL etc., they would get fried. (dead related)

I don't know nothing about no macs, so at this point I would only be guessing ... but I use dmc music convertor, and believe that it would have pulled the info from the disc if it had been there, because it usually does. I still suspect that your mac is opening a program there on your desktop, and that the info you see is coming from that program rather than from the disks, but again I am just guessing and concede that I could be completely wrong.

Re: track titles, I could really use some new ones. I seem to have way too many that are called "Me & My Uncle".

Peace.

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